{"id":826,"date":"2016-08-13T04:58:46","date_gmt":"2016-08-13T04:58:46","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/?p=826"},"modified":"2016-10-30T16:52:06","modified_gmt":"2016-10-30T16:52:06","slug":"red-buttes-grove-reported-50-miles-inland","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/2016\/08\/13\/red-buttes-grove-reported-50-miles-inland\/","title":{"rendered":"Red Buttes Grove? Reported 50 miles Inland"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Went for a drive this afternoon with my wife and our dogs to scout a photo shoot location for a woman \u00a0who plays the harp. On the way back we met a man who moments earlier spotted mountain lion tracks to the side of the road. It was apparent he has a grasp for the local mountains, wildlife and plants.\u00a0I handed him one of my large business cards and after looking at the redwood on it, he told us that there is a small stand of coast redwood trees nearby in Redwood Buttes Wilderness. Just a few, and not big, but he seemed to believe that they are indeed coast redwood. This caught my attention right away. The area he described \u00a0is probably 3000 ft. elevation, very little summer fog, and a long way from the coast. If they actually exist, they are about 45 miles directly east of Brookings, Oregon, or about 50 miles E x NE of Crescent City, California. These grab my curiosity \u00a0more than where \u00a0northernmost coast redwoods may grow.\u00a0Before Autumn 2016 draws to a close I hope to explore this hidden grove and ascertain the species&#8217; identification to my own satisfaction.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><strong>UPDATE: \u00a0August 21, 2016<\/strong>, my son Michael joined me and we looked for the reported coast redwoods in Red Buttes Wilderness. As I suspected could happen, they were misidentified <strong>Yew<\/strong> trees. Pretty nice for Yew trees though. The area actually had several running and seeping springs and old growth Douglas fir and other evergreens up to 6 feet diameter. That, plus green moss past mid-August and rocks still moist on top by 10 am, leads me to believe that Coast Redwood could easily survive there if they could find a way to germinate (as I&#8217;ve said before, I think the key to survival with coast redwoods also lies with germination and seedling survival &#8230; possibly more so than the role of fog for large size).<\/p>\n<p>I did spot a very tall <strong>Madrone<\/strong> though, and plan to return with a laser to see how it stacks up to the record Arbutus measured by Zane Moore farther south down in California. My guess on this Oregon madrone is over 120 ft., but I need to return with a laser. Zane&#8217;s Madrone was a hint over 135 ft. tall.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Related to this post update &#8212; I hear very\u00a0little research or commentary from\u00a0the redwood parks, conservation groups or various enthusiasts, about germination requirements and seedling survival around the coast redwood&#8217;s present range and other nearby forests. Most often, talk revolves around fog, which is related of course. But little to explain why coast redwoods will grow in so many locations around western WA &amp; OR, etc., but don&#8217;t seem to <strong>germinate + survive<\/strong> as well.<\/p>\n<p>The photo below shows Chris Atkins in Redwood National and State Parks much closer to the ocean.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_827\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"http:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Atkins_Grove_600.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-827\" class=\"wp-image-827 size-medium_large\" src=\"http:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Atkins_Grove_600-768x512.jpg\" alt=\"Chris Atkins in Redwood National and State Parks\" width=\"600\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Atkins_Grove_600-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Atkins_Grove_600-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/mdvaden.com\/photoblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2016\/08\/Atkins_Grove_600.jpg 900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-827\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Chris Atkins in Redwood National and State Parks<\/p><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Went for a drive this afternoon with my wife and our dogs to scout a photo shoot location for a woman \u00a0who plays the harp. 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